From benjelyn_mayo from yahoo.com.sg Mon Aug 4 18:32:10 2008 From: benjelyn_mayo from yahoo.com.sg (Benjelyn Mayo) Date: Mon Aug 4 19:30:54 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Light and chlorophyll development Message-ID: <466745.80319.qm@web76014.mail.sg1.yahoo.com> hi there, i would like to ask the effect of the different colors of cellophane like red, blue, green, yellow, and white on a bean seed. thanks --------------------------------- Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. From elizabeth from oops.net Thu Aug 21 22:20:48 2008 From: elizabeth from oops.net (Elizabeth) Date: Fri Aug 22 10:09:04 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Shrub ID sought In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like Punica sp. Pomegranate "Eric Miller" wrote in message news:vFIAj.827$9O.715@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > Can anyone ID the shrubs pictured at the following link? > > http://www.dyesscreek.com/hidden_pages/030908.html > > TIA, > > Eric Miller > www.colibrihotsauce.com From Tim.Perry.324cb88 from gardenbanter.co.uk Fri Aug 22 14:12:22 2008 From: Tim.Perry.324cb88 from gardenbanter.co.uk (Tim Perry) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:35:27 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Pollen Advice Please Message-ID: Hi All, can anyone advise me on the best way to store pollen for up to 1 year, and keep it viable. Please. -- Tim Perry From Tim.Perry.32aba47 from gardenbanter.co.uk Tue Aug 26 22:57:30 2008 From: Tim.Perry.32aba47 from gardenbanter.co.uk (Tim Perry) Date: Wed Aug 27 12:30:04 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: Message-ID: Tim Perry;811782 Wrote: > Hi All, can anyone advise me on the best way to store pollen for up to 1 > year, and keep it viable. Please. Hum, 46 readers - 0 replies. Oh, come on, we don't mind if your spelling is not too good. It's ideas I seek, so don't be shy, someone out there must have some knowledge on this subject, Pretty Please. -- Tim Perry From ladyluna from pa.net Thu Aug 28 12:25:25 2008 From: ladyluna from pa.net (Luna) Date: Thu Aug 28 15:29:52 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please In-Reply-To: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20080828131018.01d3dec0@mail.pa.net> At 01:04 PM 8/28/2008, Tim Perry;811782 Wrote: > > Hi All, can anyone advise me on the best way to store pollen for up to 1 > > year, and keep it viable. Please. > >Hum, 46 readers - 0 replies. Oh, come on, we don't mind if your >spelling is >not too good. It's ideas I seek, so don't be shy, someone out there >must have >some knowledge on this subject, Pretty Please. My only experience is with storing cattail pollen for making pancakes. I sift it to get rid of the bugs and then wrap it in wax paper (used to use wax paper bags, but no one carries them anymore.) Then I put the wax paper packet in a plastic ziplock baggie and put the packet in the freezer. Keeps well for food; viability is not an issue. My instincts suggest keeping pollen coolish rather than warm, and low moisture rather than very damp. Viability of stored pollen and ideal storage conditions may vary from one species to another depending on the native climate of the plant. Try different storage methods and see what works best. Then post your results. :)) Best of luck, Luna in PA, USA From grichter from psu.edu Thu Aug 28 23:31:16 2008 From: grichter from psu.edu (Gregory Richter) Date: Fri Aug 29 10:23:47 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: pollen storage Message-ID: <1219984276l.602254l.0l@psu.edu> Tim, I'm no pollen expert, but one of my colleagues is. I posed your question to him and he says that while the answer is extremely species-specific, people have had success storing dessicated lilly pollen at -80o for extended periods of time. Hope this works for you. -Greg From Tim.Perry.32e0606 from gardenbanter.co.uk Fri Aug 29 12:25:37 2008 From: Tim.Perry.32e0606 from gardenbanter.co.uk (Tim Perry) Date: Fri Aug 29 15:31:08 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> Message-ID: Luna;813049 Wrote: > > > My only experience is with storing cattail pollen for making > pancakes...... > > Thanks Luna, I never knew you could eat it, but I suppose common sense should tell us that it has a fair bit of protein. Well, you learn something new every day ! I need to save pollen from Eriobotrya japonica that flowers here in the Autumn/Winter, and keep it viable so that I can try to fertilize another plant of the same genus that blooms in June/July. O.K., it's just a little experiment, and only for the fun of it, but I would hope to give myself the best possible chance of success. I just want to see what kind of seedlings might result from the cross. If it works I will certainly post a report. -- Tim Perry From bae from cs.toronto.no-uce.edu Fri Aug 29 14:05:08 2008 From: bae from cs.toronto.no-uce.edu (bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu) Date: Fri Aug 29 15:31:23 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> Message-ID: <2008Aug29.150508.2939@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> In article , > >I need to save pollen from Eriobotrya japonica that flowers here in the >Autumn/Winter, and keep it viable so that I can try to fertilize another >plant >of the same genus that blooms in June/July. O.K., it's just a little >experiment, >and only for the fun of it, but I would hope to give myself the best >possible chance of success. I just want to see what kind of seedlings >might result from the cross. Try as many different methods as you can find, and see which if any work. Try both frozen and refrigerated, dry and humid, in air or (if you can obtain some) nitrogen. You could even try a high CO2 atmosphere by the kitchen method of piping CO2 from a fermentation into the container before sealing it. You could also try refrigerating some cuttings of the fall-blooming plant in hopes of forcing bloom at a time nearer that of the summer- blooming plant, or vice versa. >If it works I will certainly post a report. It will be interesting to see when the hybrids bloom, should you manage to obtain any. If you haven't raised the parental species from seed before, you might try that so you'll have better ideas about germinating the hybrids. Seeds of woody plants often need some manipulation to get them to germinate. Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Good luck! From Tim.Perry.32eaeca from gardenbanter.co.uk Sat Aug 30 00:29:04 2008 From: Tim.Perry.32eaeca from gardenbanter.co.uk (Tim Perry) Date: Sat Aug 30 11:31:11 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> <2008Aug29.150508.2939@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> Message-ID: bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu;813239 Wrote: > > > You could also try refrigerating some cuttings of the fall-blooming > plant in hopes of forcing bloom at a time nearer that of the summer- > blooming plant, or vice versa. > > It will be interesting to see when the hybrids bloom, should you > manage to obtain any. If you haven't raised the parental species > from seed before, you might try that so you'll have better ideas > about germinating the hybrids. Seeds of woody plants often need > some manipulation to get them to germinate. > > Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Good luck! Thanks, unfortunately I have just the normal deep freeze. I only wished I had access to a laboratory, still, we can all dream. I had not thought of freezing cuttings, although the plants are supposed to be hardy down to -15 C. I had wondered if grafting onto a different rootstock might cause a shift in the blooming time, or perhaps I could try a combination of the 2 options. I am unsure what species would provide good root stocks. I am growing some Loquats from seed, 10 seed produced 3 plants, and so far I have discovered that the seed must be planted as soon as possible after extraction from the fruit, viability drops off very steeply in storage. Also I found that the moisture level is fairly crucial, too much either way meets with failure. I understand the plants are only partially self-fertile, so 1 plant on its own may never fruit, which causes many gardeners to give up. -- Tim Perry From bae from cs.toronto.edu Sun Aug 31 11:45:10 2008 From: bae from cs.toronto.edu (Beverly Erlebacher) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:53:20 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> <2008Aug29.150508.2939@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> Message-ID: <2008Aug31.124510.18090@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> In article , Tim Perry wrote: > >bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu;813239 Wrote: >> >> You could also try refrigerating some cuttings of the fall-blooming >> plant in hopes of forcing bloom at a time nearer that of the summer- >> blooming plant, or vice versa. >> >> It will be interesting to see when the hybrids bloom, should you >> manage to obtain any. If you haven't raised the parental species >> from seed before, you might try that so you'll have better ideas >> about germinating the hybrids. Seeds of woody plants often need >> some manipulation to get them to germinate. >> >> Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Good luck! > >Thanks, unfortunately I have just the normal deep freeze. I only >wished >I had access to a laboratory, still, we can all dream. > >I had not thought of freezing cuttings, although the plants are >supposed to be hardy down to -15 C. You'd be risking it in a deep freeze, which is supposed to be kept at about -18C. A fridge freezer is usually not quite as cold, so might be worth experimenting with. You'd have to use completely dormant wood, since once dormancy breaks, cold resistance decreases substantially. If neither plant forms its flower buds before dormancy, it's probably not possible to get dormant cuttings to bloom. My thought was to make cuttings of the winter-blooming plant well before bloom, refrigerate (not freeze) them, then force them like people force forsythia and fruit blossoms, to obtain pollen at the time the summer blooming species blooms. That's a long time to keep the cuttings refrigerated, but it may be worth a stab. You could try the reverse, too. >I had wondered if grafting onto a >different rootstock might cause a shift in the blooming time, or >perhaps I could try a combination of the 2 options. I am unsure what >species would provide good root stocks. Depending on the size of the plant, you may be able to manipulate bloom time by controlling day length. It's actually night length that plants are sensitive to. It's easiest for a small potted plant that you can move in and out of a dark container. >I am growing some Loquats from seed, 10 seed produced 3 plants, and so >far I have discovered that the seed must be planted as soon as possible >after extraction from the fruit, viability drops off very steeply in >storage. Also I >found that the moisture level is fairly crucial, too much either way >meets with failure. I understand the plants are only partially >self-fertile, so 1 plant on its own may never fruit, which causes many >gardeners to give up. Loss of viability in dried seed is common in woody plants, so it's good to find out that's the case in loquats. Does either species need a cool moist period before it will germinate? When there's only room for one tree of a non-self-fertile type, you can graft wood from another variety onto it for pollination. Your potential hybrid may or may not be pollinated by its siblings or either or both parents. You might even get seedless fruit from some of these. Have you tried growing medlars (Mespilus germanicus)? That's another little grown pome fruit that should be hardy in Britain. Here in Toronto, where I move my fig and bay trees into the cellar for the winter, I can only appreciate your loquat experiments vicariously! From Tim.Perry.33151c9 from gardenbanter.co.uk Sun Aug 31 22:26:44 2008 From: Tim.Perry.33151c9 from gardenbanter.co.uk (Tim Perry) Date: Mon Sep 1 10:31:47 2008 Subject: [Plant-biology] Re: Pollen Advice Please References: <200808281704.m7SH4eU29548@net.bio.net> <2008Aug29.150508.2939@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> <2008Aug31.124510.18090@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> Message-ID: Beverly Erlebacher;813645 Wrote: > In article Tim.Perry.32eaeca@gardenbanter.co.uk, > Tim Perry Tim.Perry.32eaeca@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote:- > > bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu;813239 Wrote: - > > You could also try refrigerating some cuttings of the fall-blooming > plant in hopes of forcing bloom at a time nearer that of the summer- > blooming plant, or vice versa. > > Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Good luck!-I had not > thought of freezing cuttings, although the plants are > supposed to be hardy down to -15 C. - > > You'd be risking it in a deep freeze, which is supposed to be kept > at about -18C. > > If neither plant forms its flower buds before > dormancy, it's probably not possible to get dormant cuttings to > bloom. > > My thought was to make cuttings of the winter-blooming plant well > before bloom, refrigerate (not freeze) them, I had wondered if > grafting onto a different rootstock might cause a shift in the > blooming time, > > I am unsure what species would provide good root stocks. [/i][/color] > > Depending on the size of the plant, you may be able to manipulate > bloom time by controlling day length. It's actually night length > that plants are sensitive to. It's easiest for a small potted plant > that you can move in and out of a dark container. > - > > I have discovered that the seed must be planted as soon as possible > after extraction from the fruit, viability drops off very steeply in > storage. - > > Your potential hybrid may or may not be pollinated by its siblings or > either or both parents. You might even get seedless fruit from some of > these. > > Have you tried growing medlars (Mespilus germanicus)? That's another > little grown pome fruit that should be hardy in Britain. > > Here in Toronto, where I move my fig and bay trees into the cellar for > the winter, I can only appreciate your loquat experiments vicariously! Thanks Beverley, I'll try to answer each point as best I can. The Loquats bloom and set fruit in the autumn/winter, then go into dormancy, so provided I catch them early enough I might delay blooming. I had not realized the freezer was so cold until my wife showed me the gauge reads -20 C. That would kill the cuttings, so the fridge it is. I should be able to manage the day/night length side quite easily. I understand that each recipient flower will have to be emasculated, and protected within a small muslin bag to prevent pollination from other sources. I don't expect too many seed to be viable, if indeed I get any seed at all, but I'll give it a try. Clearly, this experiment will take some considerable length of time. -- Tim Perry